Legislature(2019 - 2020)ADAMS ROOM 519

03/13/2019 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:32:39 PM Start
01:33:35 PM Fy 20 Department Budget Overview: Department of Military and Veterans Affairs
02:05:15 PM Fy 20 Department Budget Overview: University of Alaska
03:30:42 PM Adjourn
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 13, 2019                                                                                            
                         1:32 p.m.                                                                                              
1:32:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:32 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Tammie Wilson, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Jennifer Johnston, Vice-Chair                                                                                    
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Kelly Merrick                                                                                                    
Representative Colleen Sullivan-Leonard                                                                                         
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Lacey Sanders, Budget Director, Office of Management and                                                                        
Budget; Donna Arduin, Director, Office of Management and                                                                        
Budget; James Johnsen, President, University of Alaska.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Stephanie Richard, Acting Administrative Service Director,                                                                      
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FY 20 BUDGET OVERVIEWS:                                                                                                         
     DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY and VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                
     UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda and invited                                                                         
testifiers to the table.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^FY 20  DEPARTMENT BUDGET  OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT  OF MILITARY                                                                  
AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:33:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACEY  SANDERS, BUDGET  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND                                                                    
BUDGET,  indicated Stephanie  Richard was  online and  would                                                                    
walk  the   committee  through  the  presentation   for  the                                                                    
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs (DMVA).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE RICHARD,  ACTING ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICE DIRECTOR,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF   MILITARY   AND   VETERANS   AFFAIRS   (via                                                                    
teleconference),  introduced  the  PowerPoint  presentation:                                                                    
"FY2020 Governor's Amended Budget."  She would be presenting                                                                    
a  technical overview  of the  department's  FY 20  proposed                                                                    
operating budget.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Richard  began with slide 3:  "FY2020 Budget: Department                                                                    
of  Military  and  Veterans' Affairs"  showing  the  funding                                                                    
comparison and  the budgeted position comparison.  The graph                                                                    
on the  left side was  a funding  graph that broke  down the                                                                    
department's budget  by general  funds (GF),  federal funds,                                                                    
and  other funds.  Other funds  for the  department included                                                                    
interagency    receipts,   statutory    designated   program                                                                    
receipts,   capital   improvement   receipts,   and   Alaska                                                                    
Aerospace receipts.  The total change in  general funds from                                                                    
the FY 19  management plan to the FY 20  proposed budget was                                                                    
a  reduction of  $940,100  or 5.5  percent  of DMVA's  total                                                                    
budget.  She pointed  to the  chart on  the right-hand  side                                                                    
which  showed a  budgeted  position  comparison between  the                                                                    
FY 19 management plan and the  proposed budget for FY 20. In                                                                    
the FY  20 proposed budget  the department saw  the deletion                                                                    
of 2  permanent full-time  positions and  an addition  of 1.                                                                    
The  department had  2 position  adjustments changing  part-                                                                    
time  positions to  full-time positions.  There  was also  a                                                                    
deletion of 2 long-term non-permanent positions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Richard scrolled to slide  4: "FY2020 Budget: Department                                                                    
of Military  and Veterans'  Affairs Snapshot  ($ Thousands):                                                                    
New  Funding for  Honor Guard  Support for  Alaska Veterans:                                                                    
$50.0   GF."  The   slide  reflected   the   first  of   the                                                                    
department's budget  changes in  the FY 20  proposed budget.                                                                    
the department  was requesting new  funding for  Honor Guard                                                                    
support  for Alaska  Veterans in  the amount  of $50,000  in                                                                    
unrestricted general funds (UGF).  The funds would allow for                                                                    
a 4 to  5-person detail consisting of  Alaska National Guard                                                                    
and/or  Alaska  State  Defense members  on  active  duty  to                                                                    
conduct funeral  honors for Alaska Veterans.  The department                                                                    
estimated  that  the  additional   detail  would  allow  for                                                                    
support  for approximately  25 more  funerals annually.  She                                                                    
noted that  Alaska's Veteran population was  the highest per                                                                    
capita in the United States.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon suggested the  detail was an expansion.                                                                    
He asked  how many details  the state currently had  and how                                                                    
many funerals they provided service for on an annual basis.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Richard  relayed that through  2013 the  Alaska National                                                                    
Guard  was funded  and had  3 full-time  Honor Guard  teams.                                                                    
They also  received additional funding for  travel. Over the                                                                    
4 preceding  years they were  able to support an  average of                                                                    
450 funerals  annually. She reported 4  structure changes in                                                                    
2013. The  funeral honor support  team through  the National                                                                    
Guard decreased significantly in  size. She indicated only 3                                                                    
individuals were  left and there  were no funds  for travel.                                                                    
The department  received approximately 275 requests  in 2014                                                                    
and 2015 but could only  support about 70 of those requests.                                                                    
Working to  improve its reach,  the department  stretched to                                                                    
support an  average of about  110 funerals  annually between                                                                    
2016  and 2018.  However, the  number of  funerals was  less                                                                    
than the number of requests received.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  indicated  that  Craig  Christiansen,  the                                                                    
Deputy   Commissioner  from   Department  of   Military  and                                                                    
Veterans Affairs, was available for questions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Richard moved to slide  5: "FY2020 Budget: Department of                                                                    
Military  and  Veterans'  Affairs  Snapshot  ($  Thousands):                                                                    
Remove  Funding for  Statutory/Volunteer Programs  Which Are                                                                    
Subject  to Funding  Appropriation."  The  slide listed  the                                                                    
removal  of  funding  for statutory  or  volunteer  programs                                                                    
which  were subject  to  funding  appropriations. The  first                                                                    
reduction  of  $300,000  GF  was  for  the  Local  Emergency                                                                    
Planning  Committee  (LEPC).  The Local  Emergency  Planning                                                                    
Committee  was a  state  program  funded completely  through                                                                    
UGF. There  were 21  LEPCs statewide  with an  average grant                                                                    
per community  of $13,100. The  second item was  the removal                                                                    
of funding for the Alaska  State Defense Force in the amount                                                                    
of $210,900 GF. The Alaska  State Defense Force was a state-                                                                    
initiated  force comprised  of  approximately 135  volunteer                                                                    
members. She  provided a  brief history  of funding  for the                                                                    
Alaska  State  Defense  Force.  In  FY  19,  the  department                                                                    
received  an  increment  of $210,900  to  expand  the  rural                                                                    
presence of the  Alaska State Defense Force.  The purpose of                                                                    
the increment  was to increase rural  community capacity and                                                                    
resiliency.  The department  would continue  to support  the                                                                    
Alaska  State  Defense  Force  as   it  had  done  prior  to                                                                    
receiving the increment in FY 19.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked about  the  mission  of the  Alaska                                                                    
State Defense  Force. Ms. Sanders explained  that the Alaska                                                                    
State Defense  Force was a  group of volunteer  members that                                                                    
were  called  in  times  of   emergency  or  in  support  of                                                                    
something   occurring  in   an  area.   There  were   groups                                                                    
throughout the  state currently  providing the  service. The                                                                    
increment was to expand the function to rural areas.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz asked  if the  Alaska State  Defense Force                                                                    
participated  in  the   Anchorage  Earthquake.  Ms.  Sanders                                                                    
responded affirmatively.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson asked about the  effects of the reduction of                                                                    
$210,000.   She  wondered   whether  the   department  would                                                                    
supplement the cut. Ms. Sanders  responded that a portion of                                                                    
the  funding   was  for   4  non-permanent   positions  that                                                                    
performed administrative functions.  The department would no                                                                    
longer  have  those  positions. The  funding  was  also  for                                                                    
equipment  and  supplies.   However,  the  department  would                                                                    
continue to support the groups in a management function.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson asked  for further  clarification regarding                                                                    
the equipment  and supplies. Ms. Sanders  suggested that the                                                                    
communities could also  support the costs if  they had funds                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson  asked if the  equipment and  supplies would                                                                    
have  to be  handled  by volunteers.  She  wondered if  they                                                                    
would be  bringing supplies at  their own cost.  Ms. Sanders                                                                    
responded that  the communities could  support the  costs if                                                                    
they had the funds available.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson commented  that  the fund  was the  state's                                                                    
defense fund rather than the  communities' defense fund. She                                                                    
asked if  the volunteers were  called out for issues  of the                                                                    
state.  It  was her  understanding  that  volunteers of  the                                                                    
State Defense  Force were called  out for  state emergencies                                                                    
more  than for  anything  else.  She was  not  aware of  the                                                                    
communities having the  ability to call upon  the group. She                                                                    
needed additional clarity.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:43:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  asked  if   she  could  provide  clarification                                                                    
regarding  the  expectation  of volunteers.  She  understood                                                                    
there  was the  Alaska State  Defense Force,  but there  was                                                                    
also  state active  duty. In  the time  of an  emergency the                                                                    
state  could call  volunteers under  the  state active  duty                                                                    
role. She  thought she  might be  getting the  two confused.                                                                    
She would provide additional details to the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson  asked for  further  detail  about how  the                                                                    
$210,000  was spent.  She thought  the  reduction meant  the                                                                    
state was  essentially saying to  volunteers that  they were                                                                    
no longer needed. She was concerned.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston asked  if the amount was  the only money                                                                    
provided to  local communities  for emergency  planning. Ms.                                                                    
Sanders  responded  that  it  was  the  only  grant  funding                                                                    
supplied  for local  emergency funding.  She mentioned  that                                                                    
Homeland  Security and  Emergency  Management might  provide                                                                    
additional grant funding. However, she  was unsure if it was                                                                    
specifically for emergency planning.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston  queried  the  reason  for  taking  the                                                                    
$300,000. Ms.  Sanders responded that when  working with the                                                                    
department in  developing the budget, they  had reviewed the                                                                    
core programs and functions of  the agency. She offered that                                                                    
while  emergency response  was  absolutely  necessary and  a                                                                    
priority of  the department, the funding  was optional grant                                                                    
funding to communities and was a lower priority.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked if federal funds  were being obtained                                                                    
to pay  for the 21  LEPC positions. He wondered  whether the                                                                    
reduced funds  had been  used to  leverage federal  funds or                                                                    
other  funds or  whether local  communities were  helping to                                                                    
pay  for  the  positions.   Ms.  Sanders  relayed  that  the                                                                    
$300,000 for the LEPC were  grant funds for communities. The                                                                    
communities essentially  received a check and  did their own                                                                    
planning. She was unaware that  the money was match funding.                                                                    
She would get back to the committee with an answer.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster   mentioned  having   one  person   in  his                                                                    
community  and was  unsure  whether the  city  paid for  any                                                                    
portion of that position.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  asked if  the $300,000  LEPC grant                                                                    
was tied to 21 individual  positions. Ms. Sanders reiterated                                                                    
that it was up to the  communities to determine how to spend                                                                    
grant monies. She could ask  the department to find out from                                                                    
communities how they spent the money.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:48:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter thought  it  would  be helpful  to                                                                    
have  the information.  He also  asked whether  the $210,000                                                                    
was the  total budget  for the  Alaska State  Defense Force.                                                                    
Ms.  Sanders   understood  it  was   all  the   funding  the                                                                    
department  had  within  its budget  for  the  Alaska  State                                                                    
Defense Force. It was an increment added the prior year.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter clarified that  prior to last year,                                                                    
there  was  nothing  in  the budget  for  the  Alaska  State                                                                    
Defense Force. Ms. Sanders responded, "That's correct."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Knopp  asked Ms.  Sanders to recall  what had                                                                    
been done  in the  prior year. He  thought the  Alaska State                                                                    
Defense Force had been included  in some additional training                                                                    
and had been included in  the worker's compensation pool, in                                                                    
case someone was  injured during the training.  There were a                                                                    
couple of other items passed  in legislation in the previous                                                                    
year.  He  asked her  if  she  remembered any  details.  Ms.                                                                    
Sanders    was   not    familiar   with    the   legislation                                                                    
Representative Knopp mentioned. She  offered that if members                                                                    
were called into  state active duty, they  were covered. She                                                                    
was not  clear what  Representative Knopp was  referring to.                                                                    
She offered  to talk to the  department and get back  to the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Richard indicated that regarding  the grants received by                                                                    
LEPC  communities and  other  grants  received, the  state's                                                                    
Homeland Security  and Emergency  Management Division  had 2                                                                    
other  grants   that  were   awarded  to   communities;  The                                                                    
Emergency  Management Preparedness  Grant  and the  Homeland                                                                    
Security Grant. Both grants were  not necessarily awarded to                                                                    
LEPC communities. She reported that  there was not a federal                                                                    
match associated  with the LEPC  grant. She  understood that                                                                    
several years  prior, a portion  of the funds could  be used                                                                    
as matching funds, but it was no longer the case.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Richard  discussed slide  6: "FY2020  Budget: Department                                                                    
of Military  and Veterans' Affairs Snapshot  ($ Thousands)."                                                                    
The  slide showed  a  50 percent  travel  reduction for  the                                                                    
executive  branch. She  furthered that  the total  impact to                                                                    
general  funds  was a  reduction  of  $103,300. Two  of  the                                                                    
department's  budgetary  components  were  exempt  from  the                                                                    
travel   reduction:   Homeland    Security   and   Emergency                                                                    
Management and State Active Duty.  The exemption allowed the                                                                    
department to continue to provide  responses to requests for                                                                    
assistance  from other  states and  territories through  the                                                                    
Emergency  Management Assistance  Compact.  Another item  on                                                                    
the slide was  a fund swap within the  Alaska Military Youth                                                                    
Academy. The  net impact to  the total budget was  zero. The                                                                    
swap  reflected  moving  $100,000 GF  receipt  authority  to                                                                    
statutory designated program receipts.  The swap would allow                                                                    
the  Alaska Military  Youth Academy  to  collect funds  from                                                                    
corporations  or  tribal   entities  wanting  to  contribute                                                                    
financially in support of the program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston asked if the  amount of $100,000 was the                                                                    
only  funding the  Alaska Military  Youth Academy  received.                                                                    
Ms. Richard replied that it was  only a small portion of the                                                                    
youth academy's total GF budget.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston wondered  if  the funding  swap was  to                                                                    
enable the  youth academy to further  develop public-private                                                                    
relationships   with  the   hope   of  obtaining   community                                                                    
financial support. Ms.  Richard responded affirmatively. She                                                                    
offered  that she  had the  Alaska Military  Youth Academy's                                                                    
total  general fund  amount and  general fund  match amount.                                                                    
The total general  fund match for the  FY 20 proposed budget                                                                    
was  $1,226,700  and  the  total  general  fund  amount  was                                                                    
$3,319,900.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:53:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard   asked  how   many  youths                                                                    
participated in  the program  on an  annual basis.  She also                                                                    
queried whether there had been  an increase in the number of                                                                    
applicants.  Ms. Richard  would  get back  to the  committee                                                                    
with the figures.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard wondered  if, in  the past,                                                                    
organizations  had wanted  to contribute  but  had not  been                                                                    
able to.  Ms. Richard was  not certain. However,  the Alaska                                                                    
Military Youth  Academy already received  community support.                                                                    
The  youth academy  was a  501c3 organization  which allowed                                                                    
the  receipt  of  funds  for   expenditures  that  were  not                                                                    
specifically covered under  the academy's Master Cooperative                                                                    
Agreement with the National Guard Bureau.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster asked if corporations  were eligible for tax                                                                    
credits  when  contributing  to the  Alaska  Military  Youth                                                                    
Academy. Ms.  Richard did  not know  the answer  to Co-Chair                                                                    
Foster's Question. Ms.  Sanders would look into  it. She was                                                                    
uncertain about any requirements  having to do with donating                                                                    
to an educational facility.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Richard  concluded  her overview  of  the  department's                                                                    
proposed budget and was available for questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson  commented  that  there was  not  a  policy                                                                    
director  from the  Office of  Management  and Budget  (OMB)                                                                    
present at the meeting. She  asked about the roles of policy                                                                    
directors within  OMB and the department  commissioners. She                                                                    
wondered  who  was  making  decisions  within  each  of  the                                                                    
agencies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DONNA  ARDUIN, DIRECTOR,  OFFICE OF  MANAGEMENT AND  BUDGET,                                                                    
explained  that  within  OMB (charged  with  developing  the                                                                    
governor's  operating budget)  there was  a budget  director                                                                    
(Ms.  Sanders),  a policy  director  (Mr.  Barnhill), and  a                                                                    
management  director.  All   of  the  agency  administrative                                                                    
services directors  and analysts were  on staff at  OMB. The                                                                    
group worked  together to develop the  budget proposals. The                                                                    
administrative services directors and  staff worked with the                                                                    
agencies. The budget plan was generated at OMB.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson noted she had  directed her policy questions                                                                    
to  the commissioners  of each  department. She  wondered if                                                                    
she  should have  been directing  her questions  to the  OMB                                                                    
director. Ms.  Arduin replied that  that questions  could be                                                                    
directed to any of the  group. At the subcommittee meetings,                                                                    
OMB attempted to have  administrative services directors and                                                                    
budget  staff available  to answer  questions. Commissioners                                                                    
were present to discuss agency  operations, as that was what                                                                    
they were in charge of.  The Office of Management and Budget                                                                    
was aware  that the  legislature might have  questions about                                                                    
agency operations  and what effects  the budget  plans might                                                                    
have on their operations.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson  appreciated having people from  OMB present                                                                    
at the  meetings. However, she  was trying to  establish who                                                                    
was making policy decisions within  each of the departments.                                                                    
She  used the  Department of  Corrections as  an example  to                                                                    
illustrate   her   question.   She  wondered   whether   the                                                                    
commissioner  or the  OMB policy  director  would decide  to                                                                    
close  a facility.  Ms.  Arduin relayed  that  all would  be                                                                    
involved  including policy  staff inside  the Office  of the                                                                    
Governor. Once the budget was  finalized, the agencies would                                                                    
carry out  their missions  and statutes  with the  amount of                                                                    
appropriations provided  to them. The  agencies occasionally                                                                    
sought and received policy direction  from OMB's policy team                                                                    
and the policy team inside the governor's office.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson wondered  if there  was someone  other than                                                                    
the Board  of Regents  to discuss  the University  of Alaska                                                                    
(UA)  budget. She  further  inquired  whether state  funding                                                                    
would be given, similar to a  grant, to the Board to be used                                                                    
in whatever way it thought  best served students. Ms. Arduin                                                                    
reported that Mr.  Barnhill was the policy  director for all                                                                    
of  OMB.  She  suggested  that  because  the  administrative                                                                    
services director for the University  did not work under the                                                                    
canopy  of OMB,  Mr. Barnhill  was before  the committee  to                                                                    
present the governor's budget proposal for the University.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson  clarified that Mr. Barnhill  was making the                                                                    
presentation  but was  not involved  in the  decision making                                                                    
for the University. The Board  of Regents made the decisions                                                                    
about  how  the  funds  were  used. She  asked  if  she  was                                                                    
correct. Ms. Arduin responded in the affirmative.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Merrick   asked  whether  there   was  state                                                                    
oversight  regarding the  LEPCs in  communities. Ms.  Arduin                                                                    
replied that  the representatives  from DMVA were  no longer                                                                    
online. She would follow up with the representative later.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Merrick  asked Ms. Arduin to  inquire whether                                                                    
communities were  penalized for  non-compliance and  in what                                                                    
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Richard  was  aware  that   the  Division  of  Homeland                                                                    
Security    and   Emergency    Management   had    reporting                                                                    
requirements  in  place  which  were  outlined  in  statute.                                                                    
Reports  were  received  regarding expenditures  for  grants                                                                    
that were awarded. She could  provide the information to the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:02:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  referred to slide 3.  He asked for                                                                    
clarification   regarding  changes   in  statutory   program                                                                    
receipts  in the  governor's budget.  Ms. Richard  indicated                                                                    
that  the  department had  a  fund  swap within  the  Alaska                                                                    
Military Youth  Academy in the  amount of $100,000  to allow                                                                    
the academy  to collect  funds from corporations  and tribal                                                                    
entities.  There  was  also  an   increase  of  $300,000  in                                                                    
statutory  designated program  receipts within  the Homeland                                                                    
Security  and Emergency  Management component  to allow  for                                                                    
sending  its  personnel  to  other  states  in  response  to                                                                    
requests  for  assistance   from  the  Emergency  Management                                                                    
Assistance Compact. The expenditures  were reimbursed by the                                                                    
requesting state or territory.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked if  she was talking about the                                                                    
same  program  used to  send  Alaskans  to the  boarder  for                                                                    
security issues.  Ms. Richard replied  in the  negative. The                                                                    
example  Representative Josephson  provided was  through the                                                                    
National  Guard  Unit  and  was  paid  for  by  the  federal                                                                    
government.  It did  not have  to do  with state  designated                                                                    
program receipts within the State  Active Duty component. An                                                                    
example of  support within the  State Active  Duty component                                                                    
would be  when Alaska  sent National  Guard members  to help                                                                    
with hurricane relief.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^FY 20 DEPARTMENT BUDGET OVERVIEW: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES JOHNSEN,  PRESIDENT, UNIVERSITY OF  ALASKA, introduced                                                                    
the  PowerPoint presentation:  "University  of Alaska:  FY20                                                                    
Budget Discussion."  He thanked members for  the opportunity                                                                    
to speak  to the committee.  He had been in  Washington D.C.                                                                    
on a  hunting trip for  research, policy, and a  land grant.                                                                    
The  trip  reinforced  the importance  of  the  undesignated                                                                    
general fund  as leverage for successful  hunts for research                                                                    
funding  and other  funds from  the  federal government  and                                                                    
other sources.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen began  with slide  2: "University  Mission." He                                                                    
conveyed that  the University had  a 3-part  mission similar                                                                    
to  other  land  grant  universities such  as  in  Michigan,                                                                    
Oregon,  California,  and  other  states.  The  University's                                                                    
mission three components:  education, research, and service.                                                                    
The mission  had remained roughly  the same since  1915 when                                                                    
it  was  founded  by congress  as  the  Alaska  Agricultural                                                                    
College  and  School  of Mines.  The  mission  was  two-fold                                                                    
through the three  pathways. First, the mission  was for the                                                                    
University  to serve  the  post-secondary, higher  education                                                                    
needs  of  Alaska.  Second,  the   mission  was  to  provide                                                                    
opportunities  for Alaskans  to create  their own  state. He                                                                    
spoke to a pride in  education within Alaska. The University                                                                    
of  Alaska  performed  90   percent  of  the  post-secondary                                                                    
education  within   the  state.  The   University  graduated                                                                    
approximately 5,000  students per year and  had over 100,000                                                                    
alumni. Last  year, for the  first time in  the University's                                                                    
history, one of the  alumni received the Rhodes Scholarship,                                                                    
the single-most  prestigious scholarship  in the  world. The                                                                    
University  of Alaska  was the  number  one arctic  research                                                                    
university  in   the  world.  In   terms  of   service,  the                                                                    
University was  all across  the state.  He noted  the Marine                                                                    
Advisory Program,  the Cooperative  Extension, and  4-H. The                                                                    
University  reached  out  and   extended  the  knowledge  of                                                                    
faculty and students.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston mentioned  that through  the years  she                                                                    
had  heard positive  feedback  regarding alumni  engagement.                                                                    
She  queried about  what kind  of engagement  the University                                                                    
participated in with  its alumni and what kind  of growth in                                                                    
alumni  contributions had  occurred in  the prior  10 years.                                                                    
Mr.  Johnsen  was  happy  to  provide  the  numbers  to  the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  scrolled to  the map on  slide 3:  "Serving All                                                                    
Alaskans."  He emphasized  the vast  reach of  UA. Geography                                                                    
was  a major  cost driver  and  was also  an opportunity  to                                                                    
provide  service  and access  to  people  from Ketchikan  to                                                                    
Kotzebue,  a distance  of  about 1300  miles.  He was  often                                                                    
asked whether the University was  three universities or one.                                                                    
He  typically  responded,  "Yes."  The  University  was  one                                                                    
institution  statutorily, one  institution under  the Alaska                                                                    
Constitution,  one  financial   entity  with  one  financial                                                                    
statement, one  Information Technology  system, and  one set                                                                    
of Human  Resource policies. In  terms of academics,  UA had                                                                    
three  separately accredited  universities. The  system's 13                                                                    
community   colleges  reported   in   to  their   regionally                                                                    
respective university.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  continued that the benefit  to the University's                                                                    
structure was that it allowed  students an array of choices.                                                                    
He  suggest that  if a  student wanted  to study  at a  STEM                                                                    
intensive  research university,  they would  have access  to                                                                    
the University of Alaska Fairbanks  (UAF). For students that                                                                    
wanted  to  study in  the  state's  largest city  with  high                                                                    
connectivity  and  engagement   with  business  in  Alaska's                                                                    
economic hub, they  could study at the  University of Alaska                                                                    
Anchorage (UAA). If students wanted  to study on the edge of                                                                    
a glacier and  focus on maritime trade  or mining education,                                                                    
they  could  study at  the  University  of Alaska  Southeast                                                                    
(UAS). In  addition, UA  had at  least 50  completely online                                                                    
programs available to students across the state.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:10:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Sullivan-Leonard     asked    about    the                                                                    
transference  of credits  within the  university system  and                                                                    
any associated issues. Mr. Johnsen  relayed that Regent Dale                                                                    
Anderson pressed the issue and  pushed a policy through that                                                                    
required  the  transfer  of   all  credits.  Presently,  all                                                                    
credits  transferred. However,  credits  might not  transfer                                                                    
for a  particular major. For  instance, if a student  took a                                                                    
statistics class  for economics  but changed their  major to                                                                    
psychology, the statistics class  might not transfer for the                                                                    
specific  major degree  requirements.  However, the  credits                                                                    
would  transfer towards  the 120  needed for  a bachelorette                                                                    
degree.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Knopp asked about  the transfer of credits as                                                                    
they  related  to colleges  in  Alaska  but outside  the  UA                                                                    
system. He  mentioned Alaska  Pacific University  (APU). Mr.                                                                    
Johnson  relayed  that  UA  had an  agreement  with  APU,  a                                                                    
regionally  accredited  institution. The  University  worked                                                                    
closely  with APU.  He  noted  that the  UAA  library was  a                                                                    
consortium  library  jointly  funded  by APU  and  UAA.  The                                                                    
University's   credits  transferred   to  other   accredited                                                                    
universities  across   the  country.  He  added   that  when                                                                    
students came  to Alaska with credits  from other accredited                                                                    
universities   90   percent   of  the   time   the   credits                                                                    
transferred.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp asked  about the  transfer of  credits                                                                    
between UA  and nationally accredited Christian  colleges in                                                                    
Alaska. Mr.  Johnsen replied, "On a  case-by-case basis." He                                                                    
noted  that  the   accreditation  Representative  Knopp  was                                                                    
referring  to was  not regional  accreditation. It  was also                                                                    
not  accreditation  recognized  by  the  Council  of  Higher                                                                    
Education  - accreditors  empowered by  congress to  approve                                                                    
the accreditors. In  order for UA's students  to qualify for                                                                    
federal  funds  UA  had  to  be  accredited  by  a  regional                                                                    
accreditor approved by the national accrediting body.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  reviewed slide  4: "Education  is a  Core State                                                                    
Function." He  reported that the making  of the constitution                                                                    
occurred at  the University. He  noted the reference  to the                                                                    
University  in  the  state's constitution.  There  were  two                                                                    
sections  highlighted  on  the  slide.  He  pointed  to  the                                                                    
personal property  reflecting the  land grant status  of the                                                                    
University.  The University  of  Alaska was  the land  grant                                                                    
university  without  land.  The University  was  due,  under                                                                    
congressional authority, 500,000 acres  but was granted only                                                                    
110,000 leaving Delaware  as the only state  that received a                                                                    
smaller  land  grant.  The University  of  Alaska  had  been                                                                    
working very  diligently to remedy  the issue.  He commended                                                                    
the  governor, the  commissioner  of  Department of  Natural                                                                    
Resources (DNR), the federal  delegation, and the Department                                                                    
of  Interior for  working with  UA to  resolve the  103-year                                                                    
land grant deficit. He surmised  that some progress had been                                                                    
made.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen pointed  to the  second constitutional  item on                                                                    
the   slide.   The   Alaska  Constitution   provided   broad                                                                    
discretion to the University's Board  of Regents to lead the                                                                    
University.  The  University   of  Alaska's  regents  served                                                                    
8-year  terms.  They  were appointed  by  the  governor  and                                                                    
confirmed   by  the   legislature.  He   relayed  that   the                                                                    
University  received an  appropriation annually.  There were                                                                    
two   appropriation  lines   for  the   University  in   the                                                                    
governor's proposed budget.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen  continued  to  the  spreadsheet  on  slide  5:                                                                    
"University's Three-Part  Mission." The  table laid  out how                                                                    
UGF,  designated  general  funds  (DGF),  other  funds,  and                                                                    
federal funds  were allocated across the  University's three                                                                    
major  missions:   education,  research,  and   service.  He                                                                    
relayed that  80 percent of university  funding went towards                                                                    
the education  mission, 11 percent to  the research mission,                                                                    
and  9 percent  to the  service mission.  He pointed  to the                                                                    
totals  in  the  bottom  left   corner  of  the  table.  The                                                                    
undesignated general funds equaled  $327 million, 37 percent                                                                    
of  the University's  total budget.  He  continued that  the                                                                    
remaining 63 percent of the  budget was money the University                                                                    
received  through  enrollment,   tuition,  federal  research                                                                    
grants, contract fees, and axillary revenues.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen  advanced  to  the   pie  charts  on  slide  6:                                                                    
"Operating  Expenditures by  Category." The  table reflected                                                                    
the  FY 18  actuals.  The total  budget in  FY  18 was  $820                                                                    
million. The  general fund dollars equaled  $317 million and                                                                    
the rest was money raised  by the university. He pointed out                                                                    
to the left-hand pie showing  the allocation of funds across                                                                    
the  various components.  The funds  included UGF,  DGF, and                                                                    
other  funds.  The  large  components  of  the  University's                                                                    
expenditures  (41  percent)   went  towards  academics.  The                                                                    
right-hand chart  supplied a  breakdown of  expenditures. He                                                                    
noted that  instruction was  the largest  expenditure. Other                                                                    
components  included  academic  support,  student  services,                                                                    
scholarships, libraries,  and intercollegiate athletics  - a                                                                    
$12.7 million expenditure.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Johnsen  moved   to  slide   7:  "Regent's   Strategic                                                                    
Objectives:  2017-2025."  He  reported the  regents  looking                                                                    
forward   rather  than   simply  reacting   to  the   budget                                                                    
appropriated each year.  In 2017, the regents  looked at how                                                                    
to better serve the state's  need for higher education. They                                                                    
also looked  at how to  stimulate Alaska's economy  in order                                                                    
to have a  more developed and diversified  economy with more                                                                    
opportunities for  Alaskans. He  shared that Alaska  led the                                                                    
nation  in  the percentage  of  its  population having  some                                                                    
college and  no degree  - a market  the University  had been                                                                    
pursuing aggressively.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  continued that the  Board came up  with several                                                                    
goals after talking  with each other from  across the state.                                                                    
There  were   5  goals   decided  upon   including  economic                                                                    
development,   a   skilled   workforce,   research,   degree                                                                    
attainment,  and  cost-effective  operations.  Some  of  the                                                                    
goals stretched  to 2025 and  some were for the  interim. He                                                                    
pointed to one  of the 2025 goals which was  to increase the                                                                    
number of STEM graduates by  50 percent. He illuminated that                                                                    
the number  of STEM  graduates was a  major predictor  for a                                                                    
state's  knowledge economy.  He  reported  that states  with                                                                    
knowledge  economies had  a  strong  population of  science,                                                                    
technology,  engineering,  and  math graduates.  He  relayed                                                                    
that economic development  frequently came from universities                                                                    
in other  states. The University  had done  a good job  of a                                                                    
developing a  strong workforce.  He reported  that increased                                                                    
training for teachers was a high priority.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:20:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston  liked  the  strategic  objectives  and                                                                    
understood why only one year  of data had been observed. She                                                                    
surmised that  the percent change was  hopeful anticipation.                                                                    
However, some of the observed  data was not meeting the mark                                                                    
in 2018. She asked Mr. Johnsen to speak to the data.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen responded that in  two slides her question would                                                                    
likely  be  answered. He  went  on  to explain  that  degree                                                                    
attainment  was  critical.  Alaska had  the  lowest  college                                                                    
going  rate in  America. If  the state  was at  the national                                                                    
average, it  would be at  28,526. He relayed that  4 percent                                                                    
of Alaska's  population was attending higher  education. The                                                                    
national average was about 6  percent. He noted that in 1974                                                                    
Alaska was  at 6 percent.  Since then, Alaska  had declined.                                                                    
He spoke of  the cost effectiveness numbers  which were used                                                                    
nationally. They  enabled the  University to  compare itself                                                                    
over time  and to the rest  of the nation. The  figures were                                                                    
challenging. One  of the problems  with comparing  Alaska to                                                                    
national  averages was  that not  everything  in Alaska  was                                                                    
average.  He  noted  that  Alaska's  geography,  population,                                                                    
personal income  tax, PFDs, and educational  attainment were                                                                    
different from  the rest of  the country. He  suggested that                                                                    
sometimes it was more important  to look at variances rather                                                                    
than averages. However, the Board  of Regents recognized the                                                                    
University needed  to operate  more cost  effectively, hence                                                                    
the reason it was a strategic objective.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen  discussed  the   challenges  Alaska  faced  on                                                                    
slide 8: "Alaska's  Challenges Are  Real." The  slide showed                                                                    
Alaska's ranking  in a  number of key  areas. He  thought it                                                                    
was  important to  recognize, when  looking at  the numbers,                                                                    
that UA  faced some serious challenges.  Alaska's university                                                                    
had certain  advantages such  as location,  natural resource                                                                    
development,  Alaska  Native issues,  business  development,                                                                    
and  climate  issues. There  were  also  some very  positive                                                                    
things about Alaska. The slide  showed some of the headwinds                                                                    
Alaska faced.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilson  asked   if  the   governor's  performance                                                                    
scholarship  had  an  impact  on  student  performance.  Mr.                                                                    
Johnsen  responded  affirmatively.  Alaska's  students  were                                                                    
performing more  rigorously through high school  in order to                                                                    
qualify for the scholarship.  He highlighted a slight uptick                                                                    
in   students  staying   in   state.   The  University   had                                                                    
interviewed  students   who  confirmed  they  took   a  more                                                                    
difficult  curriculum  because  of  the  Alaska  Performance                                                                    
Scholarship. He  could follow-up with more  detail about the                                                                    
decline  in the  requirement for  developmental or  remedial                                                                    
education.  It  had  declined substantially  over  the  past                                                                    
several years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:25:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson had  been asked a question by  a high school                                                                    
teacher. She  relayed that  unlike other  universities where                                                                    
certain tests were required to  attend, UA did not have such                                                                    
requirements; anyone could attend. She  asked if there was a                                                                    
set of standards  people could reference to  know what level                                                                    
a student  had to be  at in  order to attend  the University                                                                    
without having to  take remedial classes that  did not count                                                                    
towards a degree.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen  believed  the Alaska  Performance  Scholarship                                                                    
standards were  not developed by  the K-12  community alone.                                                                    
They were developed in conjunction  with the University. The                                                                    
University of  Alaska faculty met regularly  with leaders in                                                                    
the  school  districts  across  the  state  to  discuss  the                                                                    
concept  of college  preparedness.  He thought  that an  APS                                                                    
qualified student  was college  ready. He  mentioned several                                                                    
programs  and  their  success.   He  reported  working  very                                                                    
closely with  Commissioner Johnson and with  school district                                                                    
superintendents to  strengthen the  bond between UA,  the UA                                                                    
community campuses, and the K-12 system.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilson  had  received feedback  from  high  school                                                                    
teachers that  when students had  a goal, it made  things go                                                                    
smoother before  students reached the university  level. She                                                                    
looked forward to receiving additional information.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  noted that Alaska was  ranked fiftieth                                                                    
in post-secondary  participation among the states.  He asked                                                                    
about the success of Alaska's  high school graduates who had                                                                    
entered  the  university  system.   He  wondered  about  the                                                                    
standard number  of years to  obtain a degree in  Alaska and                                                                    
statistics pertaining  to the number of  students who became                                                                    
degree holders.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen relayed that the  national standard to obtain an                                                                    
associate degree  was 3 years  and to obtain  a bachelorette                                                                    
degree was 6 years. The  University had improved its numbers                                                                    
which he could supply to  the committee later. He added that                                                                    
the  University also  looked at  retention from  freshman to                                                                    
sophomore and sophomore to junior  years. The university was                                                                    
low and  there was a  dramatic difference between  the three                                                                    
universities.  He  reported  that UAF  had  a  substantially                                                                    
higher 6-year completion  rate followed by UAA  then by UAS.                                                                    
He mentioned  that because of Alaska's  culture, most 6-year                                                                    
students  took  8  years to  graduate.  Alaska's  university                                                                    
student was not  a full-time student. A model  student was a                                                                    
person taking  1 or  2 courses  per semester  and graduating                                                                    
with four kids  running around them. He  had personally been                                                                    
at commencements  in Nome and  Kotzebue. Even  though Alaska                                                                    
applied  the national  standard and  it looked  bad, it  was                                                                    
actually a win for the state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen detailed  the bar chart on  slide 9: "University                                                                    
UGF Funding History." He thought  the slide provided a clear                                                                    
picture of  the challenges  the University  faced. Beginning                                                                    
in  FY 14  - FY  15  the University  took a  $3 million  UGF                                                                    
reduction. The  University had experienced  reductions since                                                                    
that  time  with one  exception  -  a moderate  increase  in                                                                    
FY 19.   He  pointed   out  that   if  the   orange  portion                                                                    
representing   the   cumulative  reduction   including   the                                                                    
governor's  proposal  was  totaled,   it  would  equal  $380                                                                    
million. The  University had  borne a  significant financial                                                                    
impact over the last several years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Ortiz  wondered   if  Mr.   Johnsen  would   be                                                                    
discussing  some  of  the lost  opportunities  and  programs                                                                    
resulting  from  the reductions  since  FY  15. Mr.  Johnsen                                                                    
responded affirmatively. He indicated  the picture would get                                                                    
gloomier.  Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  if  Mr.  Johnsen  would                                                                    
highlight  the   costs  and  cuts   to  programs   that  the                                                                    
legislature  had seen  in the  past few  years. Mr.  Johnsen                                                                    
responded positively.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen turned  to slide  10:  "Governor's FY20  Budget                                                                    
Proposal:  By Major  Fund  Type  - FY19  Mgmt  Plan to  FY20                                                                    
GovAmd." He  explained that the slide  showed a side-by-side                                                                    
comparison of  the governor's FY  20 budget proposal  on the                                                                    
right-hand side to the current  FY 19 management plan budget                                                                    
on the  left-hand side. He  pointed to the  blue highlighted                                                                    
area representing the dramatic  reduction in UGF. The green,                                                                    
grey, and beige areas  represented the monies the University                                                                    
raised.  The  appearance of  the  governor's  FY 20  amended                                                                    
budget was that  it was going up - a  function of a dramatic                                                                    
increase  in  DGF  (money   the  University  was  apparently                                                                    
supposed  to  raise  somehow  by  either  doubling  tuition,                                                                    
doubling research dollars,  or by some other  means). He did                                                                    
not  think  it was  a  reasonable  appraisal of  what  would                                                                    
happen if the funds in  blue were reduced. He indicated that                                                                    
UGF was  what the  University used  to leverage  for getting                                                                    
additional  funds. If  the University  leveraged $2  of non-                                                                    
general funds DGF  for every dollar of UGF, it  would not be                                                                    
unreasonable to  apply the  same factor  to the  scenario on                                                                    
the right-hand of the slide.  If the university reduced UGF,                                                                    
other funds would be reduced as well.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson mentioned  a  previous hearing  on                                                                    
February 19, 2019 before the  other body. In the hearing the                                                                    
administration conceded that it  would be impossible for the                                                                    
UA system to double tuition.  He wondered how the University                                                                    
would  accommodate  the  proposed   cut.  He  asked  if  one                                                                    
possibility of addressing the shortfall  would be to shutter                                                                    
a campus.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen explained that there  was no accommodating a cut                                                                    
of the proposed  magnitude. He had a slide  that showed that                                                                    
the University  would have to  close UAA  and UAS to  get to                                                                    
the $134 million reduction.  He mentioned that accreditation                                                                    
would  be  lost  and  there  would  still  be  a  teach  out                                                                    
obligation.  The University  had an  obligation to  see that                                                                    
students in the  middle of their degree  had the opportunity                                                                    
to  finish. He  suggested  that the  programs with  students                                                                    
with declared  majors was  analogous to a  jet being  in the                                                                    
air. The  University would have to  make extremely difficult                                                                    
decisions with huge negative ramifications.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:35:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  also  recalled a  member  of  the                                                                    
other body  asking what  part of DGF  and federal  funds the                                                                    
University could rely on with  a substantial cut to UGF. Mr.                                                                    
Johnsen had  responded with a  negative number.  He wondered                                                                    
how hunting  for other funding would  go if the cut  of $134                                                                    
million remained in the budget.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen thought it was  already being impacted. Students                                                                    
were currently deciding  where they would go  to college. He                                                                    
noted that  when he was  in Washington D.C. in  the previous                                                                    
week  he had  met  with  some of  the  most senior  research                                                                    
administrators in  the country. They were  familiar with the                                                                    
state's  institution  because UA  led  the  world in  Arctic                                                                    
research.  They reported  getting  calls  from UA's  faculty                                                                    
asking  for references.  He supposed  their resumes  were in                                                                    
the  mail.  He  reiterated  his concern.  He  reasoned  that                                                                    
investment  was  necessary  to   generate  revenue.  If  the                                                                    
University  cut back  on the  competitive  faculty who  were                                                                    
raising  the research  dollars,  it would  lose the  revenue                                                                    
from  the  grants  and  contracts,  research  students  from                                                                    
classrooms,  and intellectual  property.  It  was the  exact                                                                    
opposite direction  the University  needed to be  heading in                                                                    
to develop and diversify its economy.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  asked about  the other  portion of                                                                    
revenue.  Mr.  Johnsen  replied   that  the  University  had                                                                    
auxiliaries and fees. For  example, the University sometimes                                                                    
rented  its facility  space for  revenues. It  also received                                                                    
overhead  monies in  addition to  specific research  grants.                                                                    
The  University  charged students  fees  as  well. He  could                                                                    
provide  specific accounting  information to  the committee.                                                                    
He confirmed  that the  University had  a number  of revenue                                                                    
sources. He also noted building sales and gravel sales.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter asked about  the land grant funding                                                                    
and where it was deposited.  Mr. Johnsen responded that when                                                                    
the University sold land or  timber, the funds went into the                                                                    
land grant endowment. The earnings  off of the invested fund                                                                    
funded research  activity. He noted  that the funds  for the                                                                    
scholarships  granted  within  the Alaska  Scholars  Program                                                                    
came out of the land grant endowment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  asked if  the funds were  DGF. Mr.                                                                    
Johnsen responded affirmative.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter commented  that  the $154  million                                                                    
was a large amount to have  to raise at one time. The bullet                                                                    
on the slide  indicated that the amount  was unrealistic. He                                                                    
wondered  if  the  commissioner  meant  that  it  was  never                                                                    
obtainable,   or  not   realistic  in   the  timeframe   the                                                                    
University faced.  Mr. Johnsen thought it  would be possible                                                                    
sometime  in the  future if  the University  was sustainable                                                                    
and it  could grow over  time. He  could not provide  a time                                                                    
estimate because of recent history.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:40:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter reflected on  a comment made by Mr.                                                                    
Johnsen  previously  about  investing to  grow  revenue.  He                                                                    
wondered, when  the trend appeared in  FY 15 to FY  19, what                                                                    
the University  did to diversify  its income away  from UGF.                                                                    
He asked  what other  strategies were  used to  increase the                                                                    
University's ability to generate revenues.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen responded  that  the  University increased  its                                                                    
land grant sales including selling  buildings and timber. He                                                                    
admitted that  such activities took  a long time  to mature.                                                                    
The  monies  went  into  an   endowment  and  the  resulting                                                                    
earnings  were  used  for  operations.  They  were  one-time                                                                    
monies  rather than  a recurring  fund  source. He  provided                                                                    
several examples of  the actions taken by  the university to                                                                    
cut deeper in response to the administration's goal.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter  understood  that  the  state  was                                                                    
dealing with  an ongoing budget  crisis and did  not believe                                                                    
the  legislature had  dealt with  the issue  effectively. He                                                                    
wondered what had been attempted  in the previous 5 years to                                                                    
deal with the crisis.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  countered that taking  a cut as  proposed would                                                                    
eliminate the capacity to teach,  to do research, to support                                                                    
students, and  to obtain grant  monies. He has had  to carry                                                                    
out many  difficult reductions. He  had contemplated  how to                                                                    
manage a  $134 million cut.  He concluded that there  was no                                                                    
way to  do so  that would not  be catastrophic.  He conveyed                                                                    
that the 15 percent reduction  to the University budget from                                                                    
1988 to  1999 and  the University  being flat-funded  for 10                                                                    
years took years to recover.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  talked about the  strategy choices                                                                    
that had  been made in  the past  about how the  state would                                                                    
fund   its  University.   The  strategy   was  catching   up                                                                    
presently.  He  was  trying to  understand  what  the  right                                                                    
strategy would  be going forward.  The state  could continue                                                                    
doing what it  had already done or look to  other states for                                                                    
ideas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen did  not think the state's  fiscal situation had                                                                    
to  do  with  how  the  legislature  had  previously  funded                                                                    
education. He  believed there were  other factors  that were                                                                    
influencing the situation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:45:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz referred  to slide  9. He  highlighted the                                                                    
blue  bar representing  UGF funding  several years  prior to                                                                    
FY 14. He  asked if the UGF  funding went up in  those years                                                                    
prior to  FY 14. Mr. Johnsen  replied that the blue  bar had                                                                    
been  going down.  He expounded  that  4 of  the previous  5                                                                    
years the bar had been declining.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz clarified  that he  was talking  about the                                                                    
period prior  to FY 14.  Mr. Johnsen answered that  prior to                                                                    
FY  14 the  bar was  moving up.  The state  was swimming  in                                                                    
money.   Vice-Chair  Ortiz   remarked   that  it   reflected                                                                    
investment  to allow  for growth  at the  time. Mr.  Johnsen                                                                    
responded in the affirmative.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz reported the first  budget he had worked on                                                                    
was in FY 15. Prior to  becoming a legislator, he had been a                                                                    
high school teacher.  He noted that as he got  to the end of                                                                    
his career  more and more  students were choosing  to attend                                                                    
UA.  He   supposed  attendance  was   in  response   to  the                                                                    
investment in the university system.  He spoke of all of the                                                                    
advantages of keeping kids in  the state. He agreed that the                                                                    
greater the  investment made in the  University, the greater                                                                    
the  rewards would  be.  He thought  the  downward trend  in                                                                    
investment was influencing student choices.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston returned  to the  strategic objectives,                                                                    
specifically number  5 on  slide 7.  The only  observed data                                                                    
the  University had  was from  2017 to  2018 -  the time  in                                                                    
which larger cuts were applied  and costs had increased. She                                                                    
wondered if  there was a  way of mitigating the  increase in                                                                    
costs if  the legislature  strategically cut or  flat funded                                                                    
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  suggested that  part of the  story told  by the                                                                    
numbers was  that the  University's enrollment  had declined                                                                    
faster than it  could reduce its costs. That  was the reason                                                                    
the costs appeared  to go up. The  calculation was completed                                                                    
per  student.  Ideally,  the University  would  be  able  to                                                                    
generate  more enrollment  and grow.  By driving  enrollment                                                                    
up, the cost  per student would go down. He  argued that the                                                                    
to  become more  efficient, the  University needed  to reach                                                                    
the national  enrollment average.  He continued that  it had                                                                    
been  a challenge  to  reduce  costs while  enrollment-based                                                                    
revenues and state funding declined.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:51:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Knopp   appreciated  the   University.   He                                                                    
mentioned having several friends  who had graduated from the                                                                    
UA  system  with  various  degrees.  He  asserted  that  the                                                                    
research  component of  the  University  was different  from                                                                    
other universities  in the country.  He was  uncertain about                                                                    
the   endowment  sustainability   and  enticing   additional                                                                    
students. He  thought that self-sustainment would  be sought                                                                    
not only  by the current  administration but future  ones as                                                                    
well.  He  asked  if  the University  would  ever  be  self-                                                                    
sustaining  or  whether  it  would   always  be  subject  to                                                                    
subsidies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen   reported  there  was  a   handful  of  public                                                                    
universities  around  the   US  that  were  self-supporting.                                                                    
However, most  universities received a  state appropriation.                                                                    
He thought the  average subsidy of state  funding for public                                                                    
universities was about  25 percent. He pointed  out that one                                                                    
of  the anomalies  in Alaska  was that  Alaska's communities                                                                    
did not contribute  to the state's community  colleges - the                                                                    
typical way  community colleges were funded  across America.                                                                    
The state had  a few notable exceptions  including the Kenai                                                                    
Borough which  contributed about  $750,000 per  year. Kodiak                                                                    
and Valdez contributed  also. He thought it  was possible to                                                                    
grow other  funds over time. He  mentioned the philanthropic                                                                    
campaign  in its  early stages.  He thought  the land  grant                                                                    
remedy  would   help  to  generate  revenues   as  well.  He                                                                    
speculated  that  if UA  was  at  the national  average  for                                                                    
enrollment, tuition  would equal  an additional  $70 million                                                                    
per year,  equal to half  of the proposed  budget reduction.                                                                    
He  thought  it  was  conceivable   over  time  to  increase                                                                    
enrollment.  It would  also take  positive  support for  the                                                                    
University's  mission  and  a   willingness  to  make  tough                                                                    
decisions by  the Board  of Regents  and the  University. He                                                                    
opined  that nobody  would be  attracted to  and institution                                                                    
that appeared to  be subject to a series of  cuts. He agreed                                                                    
with the  committee's sentiment  that the  University needed                                                                    
to  be as  self-sustaining  as possible.  He reiterated  the                                                                    
importance of  time, a positive  psychology, and  a positive                                                                    
vision  for  Alaska.  He   reemphasized  the  challenge  the                                                                    
University faced with repetitive reductions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:55:32 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENNED                                                                                                                     
     e argued that it wo                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster explained the reason for the "at ease."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen skipped ahead to  slide 13: "Magnitude $134 Mill                                                                    
Reduction."  The slide  showed  the costs  for  some of  the                                                                    
larger  activities of  the University.  He pointed  out that                                                                    
often  the   statewide  administration   was  a   target  of                                                                    
potential  reductions totaling  about $18  million, only  10                                                                    
percent  of the  goal. It  would not  be a  cost that  could                                                                    
simply  be eliminated.  For example,  there  was no  general                                                                    
counsel  or   finance  people  at  any   of  the  individual                                                                    
campuses. The University would have  to replace much of what                                                                    
the statewide administration did.  Many people had suggested                                                                    
closing all  of the rural  campuses which would equate  to a                                                                    
savings  of  only $38  million  which  would not  solve  the                                                                    
fiscal problem.  The University spent  $45 million  per year                                                                    
maintaining its  facilities. The amount did  not include any                                                                    
deferred  maintenance. The  entire budget  for UAA  was $120                                                                    
million.  Doubling tuition  would  equal  $140 million.  The                                                                    
entire budget for UAF was $164 million.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  talked about headcount  reduction on  slide 14:                                                                    
"Headcount  Reductions."  He  reported that  over  the  past                                                                    
several  years   UA  had  taken  several   reductions.  He'd                                                                    
demonstrated  the monetary  reductions. The  slide showed  a                                                                    
reduction summary of headcount.  The numbers did not include                                                                    
positions  (or PCN's).  The slide  reflected  the number  of                                                                    
people who  were no  longer working  at the  University. The                                                                    
bottom line was  that there were 1,283  fewer people working                                                                    
at the University  from FY 15 to the present.  The slide was                                                                    
organized  across  the  top by  major  administrative  units                                                                    
which   included,  Statewide,   UAA,  UAF,   and  UAS.   The                                                                    
percentage reduction of the headcount  of the Statewide unit                                                                    
was 32  percent. The funding cut  for the unit was  about 37                                                                    
percent to 38  percent. He summarized that there  had been a                                                                    
significant  reduction  of employment,  including  part-time                                                                    
and full-time, at  the University. He suggested  that if the                                                                    
University were  to bare another large  reduction, many more                                                                    
full-time   positions  would   be  cut.   He  estimated   an                                                                    
additional reduction of  personnel of about 1500  with a cut                                                                    
of  $134 million  to the  University's budget.  Most of  the                                                                    
1500  employees would  primarily  be from  the  UAA and  UAF                                                                    
campuses.  There  would also  be  other  impacts across  the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  advanced to slide  15: "Employee  and Payroll."                                                                    
The slide showed additional  numbers reflecting the economic                                                                    
impact  to   the  institution.   He  reported   that  direct                                                                    
employment  in  FY  15  was   7500  positions  and  indirect                                                                    
employment  was just  over 15,000  jobs. The  McDowell Group                                                                    
had done  an economic impact  study a couple of  years prior                                                                    
and found  that for a reduction  of $350 million in  UGF the                                                                    
impact  to  the  state's  economy  would  be  more  than  $1                                                                    
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:00:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen moved to slide  16: "State Divestment Compounds:                                                                    
Enrollment Challenges."  He transitioned  to the  subject of                                                                    
enrollment.  He  highlighted  that  budget  reductions  were                                                                    
partially responsible  for declines in enrollment.  He noted                                                                    
that the  nature of  Alaska's economy was  a high  wage, low                                                                    
education economy compared to  most other states. He thought                                                                    
the issue was  reflected on the slide. He  indicated that as                                                                    
economic activity  was picking up, people  were not pursuing                                                                    
education.  The  chart  tracked   the  decline  in  Alaska's                                                                    
population.  He  reported  that  in  the  previous  6  years                                                                    
Alaska's population had been declining.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  turned to slide  17: "UA Tuition  History." The                                                                    
slide showed  what the  University had done  in the  area of                                                                    
tuition over  the prior 10  years. The most  recent increase                                                                    
was at the Prince William  Sound Community Campus in Kodiak.                                                                    
The  campus  was below  the  other  community campuses.  The                                                                    
increases were reflected from 2017-2020  to bring the Kodiak                                                                    
campus  in line  with the  other community  campuses in  the                                                                    
state. He  noted that the  University reduced tuition  by 25                                                                    
percent   in  the   high   work-force  demand   occupational                                                                    
endorsements.  He  thought  it  had  been  a  positive  move                                                                    
bringing  down   the  cost   of  vocational   and  technical                                                                    
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen turned  to slide 18: "Tuition and  Fees   Public                                                                    
4-Yr.  Institutions." He  reported that  the University  had                                                                    
been driving tuition up, not  as dramatically as the rest of                                                                    
the country. He  pointed to the green  line representing the                                                                    
U.S.  Average  of  public university  tuition  beginning  in                                                                    
2009-2010.  The  yellow  bar   represented  the  15  Western                                                                    
Interstate Commission  for Higher Education  (WICHE) states.                                                                    
The  University chose  to  show the  WICHE  states not  only                                                                    
because UA  was a member,  but a large majority  of students                                                                    
from Alaska  who left  to study in  other states  studied in                                                                    
WICHE  states.  They  moved  up  quickly  in  the  2009-2012                                                                    
period.  Alaska's   tuition  was   below  the   tuitions  in                                                                    
comparable states  across the  country. The  slide reflected                                                                    
averages. Tuitions  might be comparable  in other  states to                                                                    
Alaska.  Tuitions in  states that  had  very strong  dynamic                                                                    
economies where demand for  higher education exceeded supply                                                                    
might be higher  than the averages. He  suggested that there                                                                    
was an opportunity for more increases to tuition rates.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen looked  at slide 19: "Tuition and  Fees   Public                                                                    
2-Yr  Institutions."  The  slide  was a  reflection  of  the                                                                    
legacy of  the decision made  in Alaska the last  time there                                                                    
was a fiscal  crisis in the late 1980s. At  the time, Alaska                                                                    
combined the  community colleges  with the  universities and                                                                    
set  tuitions  at the  same  level.  The yellow  bars  again                                                                    
represented  the WICHE  states,  the  green represented  the                                                                    
U.S. average, and the blue  represented UA. Alaska's tuition                                                                    
was  nearly double  the national  average for  the community                                                                    
and technical programs.  He believed it was in  large part a                                                                    
reason the  University was seeing declines  in enrollment in                                                                    
some  of  the  vocational   and  technical  programs.  Those                                                                    
students were more price sensitive  than students heading to                                                                    
university  programs. He  reiterated that  the decision  the                                                                    
Board  of  Regents made  to  move  the University's  tuition                                                                    
rates  for  certain  programs  was   a  step  in  the  right                                                                    
direction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter commented  that  tuition and  fees                                                                    
comprised  one  piece  of revenue  for  the  University.  He                                                                    
suggested that  another part of  revenue, from 2009  to 2018                                                                    
when  the   University  had  a   lot  of  money,   would  be                                                                    
investments made into  endowment-generating income. He asked                                                                    
Mr. Johnsen if  he could follow up with  more information on                                                                    
the  subject.   Mr.  Johnsen  was   happy  to   provide  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:05:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sullivan-Leonard  asked about the  effects of                                                                    
parents  donating  a portion  of  their  PFD checks  to  the                                                                    
University  for their  kids. She  wondered  how many  youths                                                                    
were  taking  advantage of  the  option.  Mr. Johnsen  would                                                                    
provide the  information. The program was  very important to                                                                    
UA. Representative  Sullivan-Leonard commented that  she was                                                                    
impressed with the program.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  continued to slide 20:  "University's Statewide                                                                    
Footprint." He  reported that the University  had the oldest                                                                    
facilities  in the  state and  a  huge deferred  maintenance                                                                    
backlog.  He spoke  of closing  facilities  and selling  off                                                                    
properties.  The University  had  eliminated all  off-campus                                                                    
leases. He  thought brick and  mortar requirements  would be                                                                    
looked at going  forward. If the system were to  grow in the                                                                    
future,  UA was  looking at  alternative means  of financing                                                                    
facilities  using public-private  partnerships. He  spoke of                                                                    
the constraint  of certain facilities  being tied  to bonds.                                                                    
In other words,  some of the buildings had  debt attached to                                                                    
them, and the process of selling them was more complicated.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:09:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen  advanced  to slide  21:  "Strategic  Pathways:                                                                    
Continuous  Improvement."  The  University had  undergone  a                                                                    
process called  Strategic Pathways. The slide  reflected the                                                                    
outcome  of   the  process,  which   was  a   commitment  to                                                                    
continuous  improvement.  He  reported learning  that  going                                                                    
through the  process was more  important than  the resulting                                                                    
plan. The University generated over  100 options for ways to                                                                    
streamline   improved   processes  through   the   Strategic                                                                    
Pathways  process.   The  University  had   closed  schools,                                                                    
reduced degree  and certificate programs by  50 percent, and                                                                    
standardized travel  and grants and contracts  processes. He                                                                    
pointed  to the  upper portion  of  the chart  was what  was                                                                    
common about  UA. The blue at  the bottom was also  what was                                                                    
common  and transferred  across the  university system.  The                                                                    
middle part described  each one of the  universities and how                                                                    
they led  academically in  research, teaching,  and outreach                                                                    
for  the entire  state. Moving  forward he  would be  honing                                                                    
each one of  the universities with the help of  the Board of                                                                    
Regents. They would  be looking at each  of the universities                                                                    
and determining what  was core to each of them  and what was                                                                    
not.  They   would  then  look  at   available  funding  and                                                                    
determine  what would  be funded.  He relayed  that Research                                                                    
was something that  had to be funded as well  as nursing and                                                                    
healthcare education. Going  forward with constrained budget                                                                    
times, certain things would no longer be funded.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked Mr.  Johnsen about  the plan                                                                    
to  create a  separate appropriation  called "The  Community                                                                    
Campus Appropriation" giving it  $25 million. He wondered if                                                                    
Mr.  Johnsen   understood  what  was  being   asked  of  the                                                                    
University.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen  thought he  understood.  He  remarked that  it                                                                    
would  be interesting  because the  associated campuses  did                                                                    
not  bare their  full  costs. There  were  large costs  that                                                                    
supported the operations of the  community campuses borne by                                                                    
the  regional universities  and at  the statewide  level. He                                                                    
thought  the   University  would  need  to   go  through  an                                                                    
extensive body of work to  understand the intent and address                                                                    
how the  campuses would sustain themselves.  Currently, they                                                                    
had no ability to operate on their own.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   mentioned   important   sources                                                                    
including   the   Higher   Education   Executive   Officer's                                                                    
Association and the National  Center of Education Statistics                                                                    
that came  up with  a mean per  student national  average of                                                                    
$11,000  and suggested  a premium  multiplier. He  asked Mr.                                                                    
Johnsen to comment.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  thought their  numbers were  accurate. However,                                                                    
he believed  it was  important to  remember that  Alaska was                                                                    
not  an  average  state. He  suggested  that  to  understand                                                                    
Alaska  it was  important to  look at  variance rather  than                                                                    
averages. The  University had  conducted some  analysis that                                                                    
showed  the  University  would have  $62  million  of  local                                                                    
government support  for its community  campuses, but  it did                                                                    
not. If  Alaska was  an average state  it would  be spending                                                                    
less on  small class sizes  because of its  relatively small                                                                    
population.  There  were other  factors  that  needed to  be                                                                    
considered. There  was no question  that the  state analysis                                                                    
was correct. However, he opined  that there were significant                                                                    
differences  between  Alaska  and the  averages  across  the                                                                    
nation.  He had  noted previously  that property  taxes were                                                                    
going  into community  colleges,  income  taxes that  states                                                                    
charged  people, and  college going  rates. Several  factors                                                                    
played  into Alaska's  costs. He  also  noted Alaska's  high                                                                    
energy costs and health care costs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:14:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon relayed  he  had  participated in  the                                                                    
Strategic Planning  process a few  years prior. Part  of the                                                                    
effort had  to do  with athletics.  He noted  that athletics                                                                    
had  not  been included  in  the  chart. He  suggested  that                                                                    
athletics  between  UAA  and UAF  accounted  for  about  $12                                                                    
million or 1.5  percent of the budget. One of  the tasks the                                                                    
committee had  been charged with was  to find a way  to fund                                                                    
athletics  at  both  campuses 100  percent  through  outside                                                                    
sources with  no university funding  by 2025.  The committee                                                                    
had had  several weeks to  work on the challenge  of finding                                                                    
alternative funding  for the University's  athletics program                                                                    
and  looked  to  other  colleges   across  the  country.  He                                                                    
suggested the  challenge was akin  to finding a needle  in a                                                                    
haystack.  He asked  Mr. Johnsen  if  it was  his vision  to                                                                    
continue intercollegiate athletics at UAF and UAA.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen replied that several  years ago when the regents                                                                    
had been  asked the question,  they had decided  to continue                                                                    
athletics  and to  increase the  share  of the  cost of  the                                                                    
University's athletic  programs with more  private entities.                                                                    
Currently, there was  no plan other than  staying the course                                                                    
to try to  generate more private support  for the University                                                                    
athletic  programs. He  was correct  that there  might be  a                                                                    
handful of athletic programs that  were fully funded through                                                                    
program revenues - they were all subsidized to some extent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  elaborated on strategic  pathways on  slide 22:                                                                    
"Strategic Pathways:  Continuous Improvement."  He indicated                                                                    
the slide was  a summary of what had  already been presented                                                                    
about  continuing  to  put   pressure  on  and  continuously                                                                    
improve what  was being done  at the University.  He thought                                                                    
the people  of Alaska  had an  incredibly valuable  asset in                                                                    
the University  and the university system.  He admitted that                                                                    
UA  was not  the  most cost-effective  organization. He  had                                                                    
discussed   a  number   of  factors   that  influenced   its                                                                    
efficiency.  He surmised,  that the  University asset  would                                                                    
only  perform if  it  was invested  in  driving change.  The                                                                    
University could  be more  cost-effective and  generate more                                                                    
internal revenue  for investment in growth.  However, growth                                                                    
in  the areas  of  enrollment,  research, and  philanthropic                                                                    
support only  came from  targeted strategic  investment. The                                                                    
University  was all  about  growth and  a  positive view  of                                                                    
Alaska.  He  thought there  was  no  single instrument  more                                                                    
important   for  Alaska's   future   than  Alaska's   higher                                                                    
education system. He thanked the committee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:19:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter appreciated  Mr. Johnsen's efforts.                                                                    
As the  legislature looked at  the amount that needed  to be                                                                    
invested  in  Alaska's  asset,  he wanted  to  know  if  the                                                                    
University was  interested in being self-sufficient.  If so,                                                                    
he  wanted to  know  the  long-term plan  to  carry out  the                                                                    
vision of being self-supporting.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  reported that the  University would like  to be                                                                    
less  dependent but  would always  have  some dependence  on                                                                    
state funding.  He suggested that the  constitution provided                                                                    
for the  University like it  did schools. However,  he would                                                                    
like to see  a more diverse revenue stream for  the State of                                                                    
Alaska.   The  University   would,   in   turn,  have   more                                                                    
flexibility  to  invest  in   things.  It  would  allow  the                                                                    
University not to have to  depend on an annual appropriation                                                                    
cycle. Much of the  University's commitments were long-term.                                                                    
He would like for the  University to become more dynamic and                                                                    
nimbler.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Carpenter   appreciated    Mr.   Johnsen's                                                                    
comments. He  thought Alaskans would want  the University to                                                                    
be as self-supporting as possible.  He wondered if any ideas                                                                    
surrounding  self-sufficiency came  from Strategic  Pathways                                                                    
or an internal effort to do things better.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnsen replied  that it  was  more internally  focused                                                                    
because  of   the  University's  recognition  of   its  cost                                                                    
structures  and  cumbersome  processes. The  University  had                                                                    
multiple processes  for the same  things. He  reported that,                                                                    
moving  forward,  the  University   would  try  to  increase                                                                    
revenue for athletics. The University  was also in the early                                                                    
stages of  its first  statewide philanthropic  campaign. The                                                                    
University's  private 501c3  and  the Board  of Regents  had                                                                    
approved  a campaign  plan. He  noted that  such a  campaign                                                                    
cost  money  to hire  fund  raisers,  consultants, and  data                                                                    
analysts. It was also necessary  to have a positive story to                                                                    
tell to attract support.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon returned to  the issue of athletics. He                                                                    
commented on the difficulty of  outsourcing athletics in the                                                                    
amount of  $12 million on an  annual basis. He spoke  of his                                                                    
13  years   of  experience  supporting  an   annual  women's                                                                    
basketball  tournament at  UAF  at  Thanksgiving. The  total                                                                    
amount raised over  the history of the  tournament was about                                                                    
$350,000 or $22,000 per year. He  thought it would be a huge                                                                    
undertaking  to raise  $12 million  each year.  He mentioned                                                                    
having  several  volunteers  for   the  one  tournament.  He                                                                    
reiterated  it being  a big  lift for  the University  to be                                                                    
more   efficient,   meet  its   mission,   and   to  do   so                                                                    
economically.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen  highlighted that there  were 230  Alaskans from                                                                    
across the  state including  students, faculty,  and members                                                                    
of the community who generated  over 100 options for how the                                                                    
University  could move  forward.  He  noted having  attended                                                                    
over  182 meetings  with faculty  and  staff on  all of  the                                                                    
campuses to address the various options.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:25:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilson  inquired about the land  currently owned by                                                                    
the  University.   She  asked   when  the   University  last                                                                    
developed its property and whether  it could be developed to                                                                    
generate annual revenues.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnsen replied that the  University had yearly revenues                                                                    
from leased properties, but the  income was minimal. Most of                                                                    
the land  granted to  the University  was not  of tremendous                                                                    
value.  He reported  that the  University's largest  revenue                                                                    
came  from timber.  He spoke  of a  property in  Haines with                                                                    
potential  for   a  timber  project.   He  noted   that  the                                                                    
University was also  looking at carbon credits, as  it had a                                                                    
significant  amount  of  black   spruce.  There  were  other                                                                    
avenues  the  University  was considering  monetizing  lands                                                                    
that otherwise would not be  valuable. He mentioned that the                                                                    
University   sold  residential   lots   in  Fairbanks,   the                                                                    
Interior, and  in Southeast  Alaska. He  noted that  it cost                                                                    
money  to  develop  land  and  the  University  had  a  land                                                                    
management  office.  He  thanked  the  committee  for  their                                                                    
support and questions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:28:39 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:28:57 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  indicated the rest  of the agenda  would be                                                                    
heard  the following  day at  9:00 am.  He also  relayed the                                                                    
agenda for the following afternoon.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:30 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
FY2020 Gov Amend Budget to HFC 3.13.19 DMVA UA.pdf HFIN 3/13/2019 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Budget Overview DMVA/UA
2019 03 13 UA House Finance.pdf HFIN 3/13/2019 1:30:00 PM
HFIN UA Budget Overview
House Finance 3.13.19 DMVA.pdf HFIN 3/13/2019 1:30:00 PM
Response to Q's DMVA Overview